Hello and welcome to America Dissident Voices. I'm your host, Shaun Walker. Today I have with me, in the Rockwell Studio, a member from the Swedish group, the Nordic Alliance. This member's name is Jonas Skogsäter. Jonas would you please tell me a few things about yourself.

[JS] Yeah, thank you Mr. Walker, it's good to be here. And, my name is like you said, Jonas Skogsäter. I'm 27 years old. I'm a member of the Nordic Alliance. I work and live in Gothenberg and I've been a patriot since before I even knew that there was a word for it. I became active when I was 13 years old. I didn't get seriously involved with the movement until rather late, in 2002. I was a member of the National Democratic Party of Sweden until the elections for the European Parliament, in June 2004, after which myself and a lot of other people dropped out of the National Democratic Party. We went on to form the Nordic Alliance, which has been in its current organizational form for about one-and-a-half years.

[SW] Is there still an organization of the National Democratic Party or did that go away?

[JS] No, they are still active. We try to maintain good relations with everybody. There is no need to make enemies.

[SW] ….within the Right. The leftists have that saying "No enemies on the Left," and it's good to adopt that with, "No enemies that are White."

[JS] Exactly.

[SW] First I would like to discuss something that Americans have heard about, but still don't know too much about. I'm not sure I'm pronouncing the last name correctly: Daniel Wretstrom.

[JS] Daniel Wretstrom.

[SW] Okay, can you tell me a little bit about why he is significant?

[JS] Daniel Wretstrom, as you probably already know, was a 17-year-old skinhead who was murdered in 2001. And the reason he became significant is perhaps because his murder was so brutal, it was so cold of heart, and it was so merciless. Of course, patriots have been murdered before and Swedish people are constantly being exposed to crime. I think his case was significant because it was, how do you say in American, "It was the last drop."

[SW] The straw that broke the camel's back.

[JS] Exactly. And what we have to keep in mind here was that only a week after Daniel's murder, without any form of organization, 1,000 people spontaneously, just march for him. There was no thought behind it, they were just his friends and people who felt that this was horrible. So, the first "Salem Manifestation" wasn't organized by any organization or, as you say, "fund." So that is probably why Daniel's death is significant.

[SW] What year was that?

[JS] This was in 2001, in December, in a city outside of Stockholm, Sweden. In, how do you say it; village? In a village called Salem. Or "Salem," as you pronounce it.

[SW] Oh, yeah Salem, that's how we say it. That's why they call it the Salem Vigil.

[JS] Yeah, that's correct.

[SW] You said you are from Gothenberg. That is the third largest city in Sweden?

[JS] Actually, it's the second largest Swedish city.

[SW] Okay. And as far as Malmo, as you said yesterday, Malmo has probably the highest concentration of non-Whites in all of Sweden.

[JS] Really there is a part in Malmo called Rosenberg, and they have 80-90%, as I say, non-Whites; aliens, immigrants.

[SW] Right.

[JS] I think that pretty much goes for all of Malmo, but it is in this one particular part, which is a big part.

[SW] Okay, but I know they have a university there. If tourists go by the university or go to Malmo, are there still nice parts there? Is it getting run down? Have you been to the parts in Paris or Amsterdam that have now really been affected hard by the non-Whites?

[JS] Unfortunately not. I have not been to Paris.

[SW] Oh. But, have you seen other European cities that have been badly affected with non-Whites?

[JS] Well, we were in Germany in February and we talked to a lot of Germans and they told us about horror stories. For example, a part of Berlin called Kreuzberg.

[SW] Yeah, that's a disaster.

[JS] Well, I haven't been there myself, but to be quite frank I try to keep away from those kinds of places. It would probably be good for me for an educational purpose, but I haven't really been in them.

[SW] But in these areas, such as we were talking about in Malmo, are there areas that are so bad that they are "no-go" zones for White people?

[JS] Well, not yet. If you think about Oldham in England for example, they have "no-go" areas. You can't even go into those areas without being attacked, but that is not the case with Sweden...yet. But, I wouldn't recommend that you stroll around these parts alone at night.

[SW] I understand. Okay, I also just wanted to clarify when is the Salem Vigil? What month is that?

[JS] That's in December, the first weekend in December.

[SW] And that like, all the different groups, all the groups in Sweden, even the non-affiliated groups?

[JS] Yes, all nationalist organizations participate in the Salem Manifestation, the Salem Vigil. And we also have people that are not at all politically active who are not politically nationalist, the way we are, who participate. They are just ordinary people who are fed up with the kinds of crime that Swedes are being exposed to.

[SW] Okay. And, so that's a fairly well known event in Sweden? Is that in the mainstream or just the nationalists?

[JS] Well, if you were, for example, to ask my father, to say, "Dad, do you know what the Salem Manifestation is?" He would say, "No, I have no idea what that is." But, it has gotten a lot of media exposure and it always gets a lot of media exposure. And we are always walking in a quiet, orderly fashion and the left-wingers, they always try to cause problems downtown. They keep far away from us. We are about 1,500 to 2,000 patriots, so what are they going to do? So, they prefer to stay at a safe distance, messing with police and stuff like that. But, yes, the Salem Manifestation is well known throughout the mainstream media, so we do get some media exposure.

[SW] Okay, now as far as we were talking about "hot-button" issues; you said that immigration is one of the biggest issues in Sweden today.

[JS] Yeah. Sweden was a homogenous nation for very, very long. For example, the degeneration in our society has gone very fast. Ten years ago, or 12 years ago, in 1994, we had 40,000 Moslems in Sweden. Ten years later, in the year 2004 we suddenly have 400,000 Moslems in Sweden. Things have gotten, more or less, out of hand. And that's when this organization, I think it was one of the first nationalist organizations, "Keep Sweden Swedish" was formed and later developed into the Swedish Democratic Party. The first, so-called, xenophobic, racist party.

[SW] That previous group, did that get absorbed, or is it still around as well?

[JS] The "Keep Sweden Swedish" movement?

[SW] Yeah.

[JS] Well, no. Many of the guys from back then are well…some are still active, but some are not. It was in 1988 that the Swedish Democrats were formed, so it was almost 20 years ago.

[SW] Gotcha. You also did mention that there were some problems that started in 1998 for the nationalists.

[JS] Yeah, in 1998 the movement kind of changed. Up to then we had the magazine, as you know, Nordland, which was a huge source of inspiration for the nationalists back in those days. There was a strong subculture -- the skinhead movement was strong. Sweden was one of the nations that produced the most pro-White music. The bands were almost like Rock stars. You could see, almost average youth with The Cult of the Holy War long-sleeve t-shirts around. But in 1998 in a village called "Brothbeck," which is also outside of Stockholm, the police conducted raids and treated the people hard. The American band Max Resist was arrested, and their singer, Sean Sugg, spent a month in jail, at the Kroneberg jail, and "hate" laws began escalating. Because the youth were becoming more and more nationalistic, there was a real youth rebellion growing. So, they actually started with a law from 1947, a law prohibiting the wearing of uniforms. And this law was founded after the Second World War of course to prevent National Socialism from rising again. And this actually made the police so confused they actually arrested people from a group called the Moderate Party, and they are more like a capitalist party, so to speak, because they were having a rally with their blue jackets with a capital "M" on their jackets. The police, who follow their directives, arrested them. So then, Big Brother had to come and knock on the police's shoulders and say, "No, no. Not these uniforms, only those uniforms [pro-White]."

[SW] That's the double standard that we face here in America. You mentioned the NS uniforms and 1947. Was there much of an NS movement in Sweden during World War Two?

[JS] That depends on what you mean by a big movement. Yes, there was a National Socialist movement called the "SSS." Swedish Socialist Gathering" so to speak. The Nordic Youth were also an organization that tried to educat Swedish youth. I'm not going to say "Hitler Jungen," but something like that.

[SW] Did they do camping trips?

[JS] Yeah they did.

[SW] Was that group itself kind of targeted by the 1947 law?

[JS] Yeah, I think in a way. That law was not specifically for them, because after World War Two, when Germany lost the war, the [NS] parties kind of dissolved themselves. Imagine you just lost a World War, motivation has got to be down by the floor.

[SW] Yes, certainly. But, these laws were revised in 1998 and there was a growing, huge subculture. And I have to say, that even in America we really felt the Swedish scene. Americans were very happy with it. The British music scene was in the 1980s. Ian Stuart started it all off, but after Ian Stuart died, the whole British scene was completely overshadowed by the growth of the Swedish scene and the best music, like you said. In 1998, the Swedish music scene was crushed. Bands and the label Nordland, which also has a full-color, professionally published magazine…so what happened to the magazine? Did it just disappear?

[JS] Well, some of the guys like the Nordland bureau are today a part of the Nordic Alliance. And you've seen our magazine, Nordisk Frieheit [Nordic Freedom]…

[SW] …which looks quite a bit like Nordland.

[JS] I suppose it does, even though it is not a music magazine. It is more of an ideological magazine. But the thing about Nordland, the guys who manufactured this magazine, they put their soul into that magazine. It was a very, very good magazine, but they didn't distribute it, they didn't sell it. So, you need money, you need subscribers to keep the magazine going. You can't rely on selling one issue here and one issue there, one copy here, one copy there. So, that is a lesson learned. You just can't produce this product without selling it.

[SW] Were these nationalists in the 1990s more of a younger crowd?

[JS] Yeah, I would say they were. There were of course older people as well, hanging around, but the youth has always been the "forward going" so to speak, and this was like ten years ago. So, the guys that were behind Nordland, they are of course today, 10-15 years older. Many of them have families and kids and so on, but many are still dedicated nationalists.

[SW] Would you say the Nordic Alliance is a younger group, middle aged, or everyone of all different walks in life?

[JS] I'd say we are not really a youth organization, in that sense. We are between 23-24 up to 35, which is the core of Nordic Alliance. It's foundation, so to speak. But, of course, we have younger activists as well and we also have a lot of, a number of support members who are up to, as old as 80 years old I think, down to about 15. So, there is a great span.

[SW] Now the Swedish music scene in the 1990s has largely been outlawed? Is that correct?

[JS] Well the "hate" laws are pretty strong these days. If we look back ten years and look at what the bands "got away with" so to speak, they could never do that today. The "hate" laws in Sweden are beginning to take ridiculous proportions.

[SW] So, the Viking spirit in Sweden is suffering these days?

[JS] These days, even though it's not as bad as in Germany, it still gets worse. The more "multi-cultural" it becomes, the stronger the laws to make everyone stay in check, so to speak.

[SW] You had talked a little bit about "party politics" and you had stated that you worked in it, but you weren't getting the results that you wanted. So, the Nordic Alliance was formed up with quite a few people that were not so happy with party politics, the political process. Do you want to explain a little of that?

[JS] Many of us, in the Nordic Alliance, have been active for several years, somewhere even active during the Nordland era. I, myself, as I stated earlier, was a member of the National Democratic Party. Before the elections of the European Parliament in June 2004, we spent all our resources buying fliers, distributing fliers. During only a few months, we distributed over 250,000 fliers in our district alone.

[SW] In the Gothenberg area?

[JS] In the Gothenberg area. Actually it's 50, well we use the word, well is counties the word… we distributed this to the 50 counties around Gothenberg. It's a lot of people, it's a big, big area. We got 300 votes. That is like one vote per one thousand fliers. We could have taken that money and paid our friends to vote and that would have probably been a better deal, a better business deal.

[SW] So, the Nordic Alliance, as it is right now, isn't a political party per se?

[JS] No, we are not a political party. Parlitarian politics has its place, but as always, as with Henry Ford, who came up with the assembly-line ideal; the right man at the right place. There are some very capable nationalistic politicians in Sweden, but we feel that we have a different angle a different perspective. We need a strong, alternative mass media. And you've seen our paper and magazine; I think we have the ability and the confidence to produce this type of propaganda. And, instead of trying to awaken people to the Cause, by handing out thousands of fliers and leaflets…instead, when people are ready, when they've seen too much multiculturalism, they start thinking for themselves, then we are offering a much more sophisticated form of propaganda, in the form of books, magazines and CD records.

[SW] So, you guys still do produce music?

[JS] Absolutely.

[SW] What is one of your latest releases? What is the band? Who is on your label?

[JS] The band Frydung, they actually released their third album this year, in January.

[SW] And, you also said you guys published books?

[JS] Exactly. Nordic Publishing, which is the company, who is a natural follow-up to Nordland, has concentrated on publishing books instead of music since the music scene was diminishing. The first year, it was a loss. They lost money. They didn't go bankrupt, but still, it wasn't exactly a lucrative business for them. But they kept trying and trying, and now they are doing quite well.

[SW] Okay. And if you had to summarize a few things for our audience, that want to know about the Nordic Alliance, what are some things that they Nordic Alliance does?

[JS] We've been working pretty hard. One of the things that we are proud of having accomplished, is we had Dr. David Duke over for the first time in Sweden. He did a seminar tour. He started off in Stockholm and then came down to Gothenberg and then on down to Helsingborg in the south of Sweden, which was extremely appreciated. We also translated and published his book: Jewish Supremacy.

[SW] And, that's legal to publish that in Sweden?

[JS] Yeah, sure.

[SW] It's not pushing the envelope a little?

[JS] Yeah, but as the Doctor says, he is only quoting the Jews themselves.

[SW] That's a good sign, if you are still allowed to publish a book like that. Overall what is a bigger problem for you all, non-Whites or leftists?

[JS] Leftists. Non-Whites are not really that much of a problem. But, you have to keep in mind also, Mr. Walker, that in the Left-wing movement there are a lot of non-Whites.

[SW] Are there non-White criminal gangs? Do you have the gang-bangers and the drive-by shootings? Anything like that?

[JS] We have gangs in different constellations. We have Hell's Angels and the Banditos, and we have non-White gangs. But, they don't, they are not the same kind of gangs that you have in America, where innocent people are being harmed in that way. Sometimes we can read [in Swedish newspapers] where a car has been bombed outside a restaurant, someone has been shot in a crowded restaurant, but they do not care about what the Swedish nationalist movement is doing. They are just busy distributing drugs and whatever.

[SW] Do you actually see, with the average Swede, a resentment against these non-Whites? If so, is it increasing? Like in Australia and France, we've definitely seen in the last year, a highlighting of these problems. Do people in Sweden talk about "look what happened in Australia and France?"

[JS] Well, the Swedish population, in general, is against immigration. There are very few Swedes that celebrate the multi-culture. But, the problem isn't that they are not aware of the problem in Sweden today, the problem is that being a nationalist carries with it a social stigma. You might lose your job, you might lose your work, you might be kicked out of school. And, people value security. They value financial security, social security -- they are not going to join our Cause no matter how many fliers we distribute, which say, "Oh, it's so bad, another gang-rape in Stockholm, muggings in Gothenberg." People know this. They are fully aware of the problem. In a residential area, if the non-White population increases, Swedes tend to move out.

[SW] White flight.

[JS] White flight, exactly. They will never say, "It's because of the Blacks," they will say, "It's become unsafe here."

[SW] They say the same thing here in America. They say they would rather commute an hour and a half, one-way to work than five minutes. I always say: "Really? Okay!"

[JS] That is one thing we have learned. Since people are fully aware of the situation, there has to be a reason why they don't join the nationalist cause. And that reason is, as I said, they value their financial security and their social security, rather than sticking their chins out. They would rather bury their heads in the sand than stand up.

[SW] I understand. One thing that we talked about is that the Holocaust is not really an issue in Sweden and presently there are no laws against Holocaust denial.

[JS] I think Sweden is going towards where revisionism might be banned, outlawed. I think that is just a matter of time. Today there are no actual laws that prohibit you from speaking about the Holocaust. You can do that, but I wouldn't advise it. But, you can still do that.

[SW] Any last words before we end this interview?

[JS] Yes, this is my first trip to America. And I have been extremely well received. I think that Resistance and the National Alliance are doing a terrific job and West Virginia is a very beautiful state. I've had the opportunity of hiking here for a few hours. I have a lot of positive experiences that I will take back with me to Sweden. And I hope that the Nordic Alliance can maintain good relations with the National Alliance. I would like to thank you, Mr. Shaun Walker, for inviting me over. It has been a privilege and an honor to be here and see what you guys are doing. I also had the opportunity of meeting some really interesting people; Sanders Pierce and Professor Griffin and Jon and Ray, Doug and Randy. Thank you guys, you have been really terrific to me.

[SW] Alright, and thank you very much. And I hope we can form a really nice, close working-relationship with the Nordic Alliance as well. This is Shaun Walker, thanks for listening.